the end of the day, people are so confused about this, and they don't know what to make of it. fitch and s&p says it's not changing the ratings here. >> yes. i think the white house is beginning to realize they overplayed their hands on this thinking the republicans would cave as they have in the past x and when they didn't, they were unprepared for it, and they are scrambling to say it's a long process, so if the world ends in a hundred years, it's because of that sequester. gerri: right, exactly. we're supposed to get news of the president signing this by 7 -- in the 7 p.m. hour, that's the expectation now, the new news, this hour, and i want to tell you, the devil's in the details; right, guys? >> yep. gerri: the architects of capitol hill, the architects of the capitol, that's the job title, saying there's no furloughs. if you were worried somebody else there would be laid off, you know, a maid, somebody cleaning the toilets, it's not going to happen. that is the good news. grover, to you.